Mazda CX-5 Forums
Technical Section => Accessories => Topic started by: Deeps on November 04, 2015, 02:36:35 pm
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Looking at the Mazda UK website I note that the Reversing Camera is a standard fitting on the Sports Nav model and an optional extra on the other two in the range. Here in Germany, the Reversing Camera is only available on the top of the range Sports-Line model and not an option on the other models in the range at this time.
However, the dealer got on the blower to Mazda and was informed that the Reversing Camera can be ordered and fitted for €690 for pre 2015 models i.e. prior to the so-called 'Upgrade' models and will become available for ordering and fitting for the other models in the 'Upgrade' range as of late December 2015 again for the cost of €690 which includes fitting. As a result of the lousy beep volume from the reversing sensors I'll be first in line to have the Reversing Camera fitted as soon as it becomes available. The picture should look good on the 7" screen.
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I bought a reversing camera off Amazon for around £12, not for the car though.
I wouldn't pay anything like what Mazda want, but would research the pin outs from the 7" screen with regard to fitting my own. Enquire on mazda247 there is lots of info on there.
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I wouldn't pay anything like what Mazda want, but would research the pin outs from the 7" screen with regard to fitting my own. Enquire on mazda247 there is lots of info on there.
Yes, but with a 1 month 5 day old car with the best part of the 3 year warranty still to run................ :-\
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The Mazda camera (2013) has lines on the screen to show where you are going, so it has additional software to help justify the price.
Only problem I have found is it doesn't work well when it rains. Water runs down over the cover and affects the view.
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Yes the camera is poorly positioned, I also don't think its as good as the 2009 Xtrail one I had.
Everything appears smaller so its more difficult to make things out unless close up.
Camera on Xtrail was more recessed so picked up less rain and dirt, but it still did need the odd wipe with a finger.
Camera on Tucson gave larger images but the image wasn't anywhere near as clear, worst of the three IMO.
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Looking at the Mazda UK website I note that the Reversing Camera is a standard fitting on the Sports Nav model and an optional extra on the other two in the range. Here in Germany, the Reversing Camera is only available on the top of the range Sports-Line model and not an option on the other models in the range at this time.
However, the dealer got on the blower to Mazda and was informed that the Reversing Camera can be ordered and fitted for €690 for pre 2015 models i.e. prior to the so-called 'Upgrade' models and will become available for ordering and fitting for the other models in the 'Upgrade' range as of late December 2015 again for the cost of €690 which includes fitting. As a result of the lousy beep volume from the reversing sensors I'll be first in line to have the Reversing Camera fitted as soon as it becomes available. The picture should look good on the 7" screen.
Looks like the mazda uk has been updated, does this mean they now have it available for the 2015 model? Has anyone managed to get a fitted price from a dealer?
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I can't find any mention of the Reversing Camera being now available for the 01/2015 models under the Accessories section on either the Mazda UK or German websites. Could you post a link as to where you came across it please?
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http://www.mazda.co.uk/buying-owning/accessories/mazda-cx-5/2011-11/safety/KD53V7535/
Just thought that things look to have been updated, the pictures have changed as have a few other accessories, didn't know if this meant that it was now available.
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From what I can see, the reversing camera isn't available in the UK yet as an accessory for facelift models that don't have it. However, Mazda's UK website can be misleading because if you navigate Mazda.co.uk > Cars > CX-5 > Accessories (from the option that appears underneath the main CX-5 picture) you're taken to the accessory page for the pre-facelift model.
Mazda.co.uk > Buying & Owning > Accessories allows you to navigate to the correct facelift and pre-facelift accessory pages.
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Mazda.co.uk > Buying & Owning > Accessories allows you to navigate to the correct facelift and pre-facelift accessory pages.
Yes, that's the route I navigated and found nothing regarding the reversing camera availability. I'm off into town in a couple of ticks and will pop into the dealer and see what he has to say.
Update: dealer confirms, as per my earlier post, that the reversing camera for the 01/2015 CX-5 models will be available towards the end of December although in reality, taking into consideration the Christmas holidays, we're looking at January for ordering and fitting etc.
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Just FYI, I ordered one as an accessory on my 2015 CX-5. The car was delivered late september, however the dealer was unable to install it due to soft- and/or hardware faults.
So up to now the reversing camera and the wiring harness is still laying with the dealer - dormant.
The German forum describes this fault as well, and it seems dat Madza Germany promised a solution to become available as from january, 2016.
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Yes, from what I read it would appear that during low light levels the display picture is very pixalated and of generally poor quality overall when compared to other vehicles. Perhaps someone who regularly makes use of the reversing camera would like to add comment in this regard.
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Yes, from what I read it would appear that during low light levels the display picture is very pixalated and of generally poor quality overall when compared to other vehicles. Perhaps someone who regularly makes use of the reversing camera would like to add comment in this regard.
I don't recall the 2013 car being as bad in poor light, but then again the daytime picture is much better.
The old car wasn't actually as good as my 2009 Xtrail camera, new car in daylight is better.
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From what I can see, the reversing camera isn't available in the UK yet as an accessory for facelift models that don't have it. However, Mazda's UK website can be misleading because if you navigate Mazda.co.uk > Cars > CX-5 > Accessories (from the option that appears underneath the main CX-5 picture) you're taken to the accessory page for the pre-facelift model.
Mazda.co.uk > Buying & Owning > Accessories allows you to navigate to the correct facelift and pre-facelift accessory pages.
Just taken another look on the Mazda UK website and the reversing camera is still not showing. However, it is now showing as available on the German site. http://www.mazda.de/service-zubehoer/zubehoer/mazda-cx-5/2015-01/sicherheit/K015V7535/
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My camera has been built in now, must say I am very pleased with it.
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My camera has been built in now, must say I am very pleased with it.
Could you tell us exactly what was involved etc? For example, did it come complete with wire loom and connected directly to the wiring at the back of the car or did
everything need to be removed with the wiring threaded through to the front? And I take it that the original screen is still fitted?
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The camera comes with a wiring harness. The camera gets connected to this wire loom, which gets routed to the navigation unit (left side of the car, under the doors).
And yes, the original screen is still fitted.
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Thanks for that. Will be off to the dealer later this morning to have a chat. ;D
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If it helps, the link below describes the general principle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2v231NoI9k
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Informative video but think I'll leave it to those which both a left and right hand to do the fitting. ;D One further question though - in the latter stages of the video he makes reference
to testing all is working as it should by simultaneously pressing both the Nav and Mute buttons at which time the video appears on the screen. Is this the standard method of operating the
rear view camera when in everyday use as I seem to have assumed for some reason or the other that the camera would be engaged when reverse gear was selected?
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Informative video but think I'll leave it to those which both a left and right hand to do the fitting. ;D One further question though - in the latter stages of the video he makes reference
to testing all is working as it should by simultaneously pressing both the Nav and Mute buttons at which time the video appears on the screen. Is this the standard method of operating the
rear view camera when in everyday use as I seem to have assumed for some reason or the other that the camera would be engaged when reverse gear was selected?
Its automatic in reverse.
I'll try the nav and mute though.
Having now watched the vid the nav and mute buttons are pressed to restart the screen, not the reverse camera screen?
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OK, thanks. ;)
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I had the reversing camera fitted to my CX-5 earlier this morning and first impressions are that the picture quality really is quite good. As it was raining the rear of the car was very wet and so picture that I took with my mobile phone probably isn't as sharp as it would otherwise be. The brightness and picture quality is the same even when down in our underground garage which really is a dingy place which would appear to be a great improvement over the earlier versions of camera from what I read although I have no direct experience of this obviously.
The lines are also static when compared to the earlier version but I'm really quite pleased with that as I would no doubt find them a distraction. Not quite sure what those two chevrons are supposed to indicate - it skipped my mind to try pressing one or both of them lol.
(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww248/Alan_Ingham/Mazda%20CX-5/20160203_123157_zpsbmlyp4d9.jpg) (http://s724.photobucket.com/user/Alan_Ingham/media/Mazda%20CX-5/20160203_123157_zpsbmlyp4d9.jpg.html)
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Good to hear that you are happy with the camera and that they seem to have the quality right. I am very tempted to have this added to mine, just waiting to see what prices others get as my local garage isn't always the best without having another price. I wonder why the lines don't move on this, assumed it would be the same as the standard sport model one.
James
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I wonder why the lines don't move on this, assumed it would be the same as the standard sport model one.
James
It might be a case of Mazda receiving feedback that these lines moving around and changing colour etc were a bit too confusing for your everyday user. I really don't have a definite answer but can only reiterate that I find what is now statically displayed to be just fine. I've lived umpteen years without the need for a reversing camera without bumping into things LOL but as a result of the reversing tones being next to useless with my somewhat degraded hearing combined with the fact that our underground garage is relatively dark and full of roof support stanchions, I was of the opinion that the reversing camera would be a big help. The prime reason though, is that it assists in reversing precisely up to the hitch on our caravan therefore negating the need to shove the van around heavy handed.
With the camera being shown at €428.99 over here I found the fitting charge of €121 by my dealer to be quite reasonable considering the amount of work involved in the fitting of these cameras.
Edit: anyone requiring a copy of the installation instructions please send me a PM giving an email address to which it can be forwarded.
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The arrow indicators are to warn you (if reversing out of a space) of something coming from left or right which you may not have seen. It uses the camera combined with the blind spot monitoring (BSM) system sensors in the rear bumper. That's how it works if you buy the £800 safety pack add-on, anyway.
Alan
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Thanks for the info Deeps. I can see your point with the lines being better by not moving. I will have to pop into my local dealer and see what they can offer. I will take you up in the offer of the instructions, at least then I can see what they are charging the money for. James
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The arrow indicators are to warn you (if reversing out of a space) of something coming from left or right which you may not have seen. It uses the camera combined with the blind spot monitoring (BSM) system sensors in the rear bumper. That's how it works if you buy the £800 safety pack add-on, anyway.
Alan
Updated. I got that wrong. The left arrow is for hiding and revealing the top menu for display brightness, etc. The right arrow hides/reveals the graphic for the ultrasonic parking sensors. The ones I mentioned earlier appear as required when the sensors pick up a moving vehicle.
Alan.
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Okey dokey Alan, got it. Thanks. ;)
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(http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u500/Xtrailman/P1100769_zpsvuflgfyt.jpg)
This is my night time picture, not totally dark as there is a lamp post close by.
I find the quality poor compared to my 2013 car.
What do t
others think?
PS its a lot worst than that at times especially in rain.
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What do others think?
Not a lot, in fact it's worse than awful but you already know that. If it's of any consolation at all (not that it is of course), it's on a par with other pictures that I've seen recently of CX-5's such as yours where cameras were fitted as standard. The reversing cameras that were later fitted under the umbrella of optional extras produce much clear pictures although whether this is down to improved lens/camera quality, firmware or perhaps a combination of both I wouldn't know.
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Deeps any chance of posting a night picture of your camera to show Mazda?
I've sent a copy to Mazda asking for the camera to be replaced (today), so awaiting a reply.
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OK although the first opportunity will be Sunday evening when we have no option but to be out (birthdays and all that) and with the awful weather here at the moment I'm not taking it out on the street just for a photograph. That said, should the right amount of pennies suddenly land in my bank account I might perhaps be open to persuasion. ;D ;D ;D
In the meantime, and I'm hoping Will won't mind me doing this and if so I'll soon find out of course lol, take a look at the pictures in post #198 here http://www.cx5-forum.de/f11/rueckfahrkamera-pixelige-anzeige-4928-20.html . The top one was taken in twilight with firmware v230 whilst the second, and much better one, was taken in darkness with firmware v511.
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Here you have some more info :
http://www.cx5-forum.de/f12/rueckfahrkamera-fuer-fl-4476-17.html
It concerns a FL CX-5, born in july 2015. Reversing camera installed in dec 2015.
I am very pleased with it; even by night the camera works very well.
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And to confirm Deeps remark : CMU V.56.00.511 even betters the quality!
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Thanks for the links, yet another registration!
I'm on the latest firmware, but I struggling to see how it can improve the picture quality?
Screen resolution and camera quality usually determine the picture in my experience.
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If you have a built-in camera (ex-factory) I'm afraid that the quality cannot be improved (cfr. the german forum).
The first camera's were not of the best....
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Screen resolution and camera quality usually determine the picture in my experience.
To a certain extent yes although you have to remember that we're talking a digital image here not a negative. Being digital the raw data captured (raw data cannot be visualised) needs to be processed and turned into a visual image. During this process, the signal captured by the tiny sensor needs to be amplified at which time noise suppression also takes place. It is often this noise suppression software that marks out a good camera and very often, good software too - I'm thinking Adobe Photoshop here. In the case of the pictures linked to earlier, the first image is degraded and the software (firmware) has not done a very good job of suppressing the noise whilst in the second, the noise suppression is much better. With very low light levels much greater amplification is need and hence noise suppression because after all it's not like a normal camera having a flash available
As a rule - greater signal amplification results in greater noise which needs suppressing. Too much suppressing and sharpness deteriorates. I'm sure that a Canon 100mm lens placed on the back of the car would also produce a much better image but whose going to pay to have that fitted? ;D
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If you have a built-in camera (ex-factory) I'm afraid that the quality cannot be improved (cfr. the german forum).
The first camera's were not of the best....
While the reversing camera on my 2013 cx5 didn't show as much detail as my 2009 Xtrail camera, it was still ok both night and day.
The 2015 camera has more detail than the last cx-5, (that is objects appear larger and are easier to see) and has a better day time picture, its only the night vision that is exceptionally poor on my car.
I could do with some comments from Sport owners re the 2015 car to establish if they are all the same?
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Holy thread revival!
Hi guys! New owner of a 2015+ CX-5. Unfortunately it doesn't have the reverse camera that I'm used to. I've noticed some people selling the reversing camera on eBay which seems to consist of just the wired camera section. A YouTube fitting video seems to suggest that there is a missing wire section around the passenger footwell. Has anyone fitted the factory kit and can advise on what exactly is included? If it's just the camera then great, but if it needs that additional wire section then I need to try and source that also.
By the way I'm not looking for aftermarket. I've fitted them before but this this car I'd rather keep to factory kits whenever possible.
Many thanks in advance.
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If you have a built-in camera (ex-factory) I'm afraid that the quality cannot be improved (cfr. the german forum).
The first camera's were not of the best....
While the reversing camera on my 2013 cx5 didn't show as much detail as my 2009 Xtrail camera, it was still ok both night and day.
The 2015 camera has more detail than the last cx-5, (that is objects appear larger and are easier to see) and has a better day time picture, its only the night vision that is exceptionally poor on my car.
I could do with some comments from Sport owners re the 2015 car to establish if they are all the same?
My 2015 sport nav had an excellent reversing camera, night and day.
My new sprot nav doesn't seem as good on quality, but I have the safety pack with all round cameras, with spilt screens on the display so perhaps not an exact comparison