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General Category => CX-5 => Topic started by: kenny1462 on August 15, 2018, 04:40:59 pm
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Hi all
I just received a letter from Mazda UK regarding a Special Service Program - Powertrain Control Module Reprogramming telling me that my vehicle is required to have this carried out.
The wording actually says: Your vehicle is now required to be installed with the very latest and improved engine calibration software. Software will also be installed to enhance the accelerator response as well as provide engine noise reduction.
Has anyone else experienced this or receive one of these letters?
Is this something to worry about or can I go ahead and allow Mazda to do it?
Many thanks
Kenny
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Why would you NOT allow the manufacturer of your car the option to make your car better with a software improvement ?
They are hardly likely to offer something that would damage your car. What are your worries ?
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I was only checking as I have heard stories of manufactures upgrading software that then causes other problems that did not previously exist and then refusing to rectify it unless the owner paid (NOT Mazda I hasten to add).
My CX 5 is the first car I have ever purchased from new so I just thought I'd ask if anyone else here had received the same letter.
A google search has not returned anything on a Powertrain Control Module issue.
It does not hurt to ask does it... :)
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Hi,
just got back from holiday and found the very same letter in the post.
Pardon my ignorance, but is this something related to the usual software upgrades (the dealer upgraded to 509EU as part of my last service back in April 2018) or totally different? The PCM sounds something more fundamental to me. My car accelerates quite well I must say with plenty of torque :) :). Is this maybe also related to mitigate the DPF issue? Which I'm still observing BTW.
Cheers
Eddy
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I've had one of these letters too. 2nd service carried out yesterday along with this update. Will report back in next few days.
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I've had one of these letters too. 2nd service carried out yesterday along with this update. Will report back in next few days.
Did it seem any quieter to start with?
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Hi Anchorman :)
The engine seems smoother with slightly more oomph and the auto box changes are smoother. One thing that is definitely different is that the maintenance interval now monitors the oil quality and there are no other options listed such as mileage intervals etc. I suppose this makes sense due to regens possibly diluting the oil. I think its quieter although these things are always subjective. To be honest the road noise is more of an issue than engine noise in my opinion.
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Interesting. Mine is a bit harsh so it might help. The road noise is less of an issue on the 17 on models. It’s going in soon so they might sort it. I think petrol is the way forward but while I’m working I’m stuck with AWD. Thanks for the update.
Don.
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Hi Anchorman :)
The engine seems smoother with slightly more oomph and the auto box changes are smoother. One thing that is definitely different is that the maintenance interval now monitors the oil quality and there are no other options listed such as mileage intervals etc. I suppose this makes sense due to regens possibly diluting the oil. I think its quieter although these things are always subjective. To be honest the road noise is more of an issue than engine noise in my opinion.
Mine is due this coming Friday. So it looks like it's a MCU firmware update to 513EU as well because of the new maintenance menu. I recall a user posted a comment while back on a DPF related thread claiming the 513EU update fixed the DPF issue; I now understand that he might have misunderstood because of the new maintenance menu which I think is a clever idea because everybody has different driving styles and daily routine and for someone the 12K miles oil replacement could be a possibility and for others 6K miles could be more likely. This should also drastically reduce the number of road calls and free oil replacement from Mazda dealers, but also should give more peace of mind to drivers, or at least works for me :)
Eddy
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Hi Routerunner
I noticed that my MCU firmware had not changed. I'm making the assumption that the software update to the PCM has enabled this maintenance feature to display on the MCU as there must be some communication process between the two systems to enable the oil quality information to be displayed.
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Hi Anchorman :)
The engine seems smoother with slightly more oomph and the auto box changes are smoother. One thing that is definitely different is that the maintenance interval now monitors the oil quality and there are no other options listed such as mileage intervals etc. I suppose this makes sense due to regens possibly diluting the oil. I think its quieter although these things are always subjective. To be honest the road noise is more of an issue than engine noise in my opinion.
Hi, done the update this morning as scheduled and drove back to work (25 Miles)....no difference observed whatsoever, and no oil quality displayed in the App -> Maintenance menu which is exactly as before, just a huge bird dropping on the bonnet to complete the picture >:(
What CMU software version you have at the moment? I have the 502EU which is not the very very latest, but upgraded during last service back in April this year.
Cheers
Eddy
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Hi Anchorman :)
The engine seems smoother with slightly more oomph and the auto box changes are smoother. One thing that is definitely different is that the maintenance interval now monitors the oil quality and there are no other options listed such as mileage intervals etc. I suppose this makes sense due to regens possibly diluting the oil. I think its quieter although these things are always subjective. To be honest the road noise is more of an issue than engine noise in my opinion.
Hi, done the update this morning as scheduled and drove back to work (25 Miles)....no difference observed whatsoever, and no oil quality displayed in the App -> Maintenance menu which is exactly as before, just a huge bird dropping on the bonnet to complete the picture >:(
What CMU software version you have at the moment? I have the 502EU which is not the very very latest, but upgraded during last service back in April this year.
Cheers
Eddy
Eddy, I think you’re getting your updates mixed up. The one you can read in the MZD screen is for the audio system. The latest is version 545. The one for the engine is something quite different and you can’t tell by looking whether it has been done. They basically remap the engine management computer.
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I'm aware that the firmware update I had this morning was for the power-train unit and nothing to do with the CMU (DMZ Connect) firmware.
I just asked (hopefully Jonno21 will reply) the software version of his DMZ Connect firmware version because:
- I didn't notice any change to the car in terms of smoothness and more oomph
- The maintenance menu is exactly as before, so no oil quality indicator as he mentioned
- His DMZ firmware haven't changed, so there is the possibility that either:
- My DMZ doesn't show the new maintenance menu because is not the right version, albeit mine has been upgraded last April
- The power-train firmware upgrade versions was the same I had before
Unfortunately the Mazda dealer where I live is pretty awful, but just one mile down the road and before contacting MCS I would like to have my facts pretty clear.
Cheers
Eddy
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Eddy
Changes not relating to the Navigation side are also listed so this might explain my maintenance menu difference as Mazda must make additional changes which are not listed. In any case, get your dealer to update to 59.00.545A. You can do it yourself but it's not for the faint hearted:
https://mazda3revolution.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=251971&stc=1&d=1534750094
My version is 59.00.545.A. For what it's worth the changelog is below:
• When setting a destination using the address, “House Number not found” error pop-up message may appear even if the address can actually be set. • When trying to enter a new destination address, different house number may be appear as a destination while correct house number is actually set.
• When trying to enter a new destination address, some house numbers may not appear in the list to be selected from.
• [V59.00.544 only, except 2017-2018 Mazda3 (Mexico built)] When using Driving Position Memory, a beep sound may not be heard when the driving position adjustment is completed. Display settings for navigation guidance on Active Driving Display may not be kept for the seat position memory.
• i-Pod nano 5th gen will not play.
• [Only vehicles equipped with the Forward Sensing Camera] Warning Guidance message to clear foggy windshield is shown on center display even if it is not foggy.
• Fuel Economy Monitor may draw bars twice a minute instead of once a minute.
• [CX-9] According to the correct design specification, the speed limit is displayed only on active driving display. It should not be displayed in center display.
• The customize function is limited even if the engine is running.The setting tab works as if the vehicle is in ACC mode.
• [German] Improper translation for Auto Door Lock Mode setting.
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Eddy
Changes not relating to the Navigation side are also listed so this might explain my maintenance menu difference as Mazda must make additional changes which are not listed. In any case, get your dealer to update to 59.00.545A. You can do it yourself but it's not for the faint hearted:
https://mazda3revolution.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=251971&stc=1&d=1534750094
My version is 59.00.545.A. For what it's worth the changelog is below:
• When setting a destination using the address, “House Number not found” error pop-up message may appear even if the address can actually be set. • When trying to enter a new destination address, different house number may be appear as a destination while correct house number is actually set.
• When trying to enter a new destination address, some house numbers may not appear in the list to be selected from.
• [V59.00.544 only, except 2017-2018 Mazda3 (Mexico built)] When using Driving Position Memory, a beep sound may not be heard when the driving position adjustment is completed. Display settings for navigation guidance on Active Driving Display may not be kept for the seat position memory.
• i-Pod nano 5th gen will not play.
• [Only vehicles equipped with the Forward Sensing Camera] Warning Guidance message to clear foggy windshield is shown on center display even if it is not foggy.
• Fuel Economy Monitor may draw bars twice a minute instead of once a minute.
• [CX-9] According to the correct design specification, the speed limit is displayed only on active driving display. It should not be displayed in center display.
• The customize function is limited even if the engine is running.The setting tab works as if the vehicle is in ACC mode.
• [German] Improper translation for Auto Door Lock Mode setting.
Thank you soo much for the info. It is now clear that my CMU firmware is not as recent as yours, so that explain the difference in menu. Can I ask you when did you upgrade to 545? How much you dealer charged you for the upgrade? I know that perception is very subjective, but the service recall clearly stated quieter engine and better acceleration response, but to be honest with you I did notice none of the changes and to be fair the engine seems more noisy now, in particular at low RPM...
Yes, you are right the procedure is very complex, I'm an embedded software engineer myself and I deal with firmware upgrades daily at my current client site, but this upgrade procedure is very prone to errors and strict timeouts doesn't help, so I think I will let the dealer doing it ;)
Cheers
Eddy
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Yes I did it myself in July as I have the last two firmware updates. BUT the exact procedure needs to be followed which includes pressing the brake (auto) or clutch (manual) every 20 minutes to ensure the headunit did not fall asleep. Also did not have a battery charger connected which is another risk unless you have a relatively new, fully charged and reliable battery. And don't restart the engine in between the two installation files. Just tell your dealer that the display randomly goes to a black screen whilst navigating occasionally, they should do something then ;)
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Ooo, no. I’ll pull you the car to bits and put it back working but IT stuff, no.
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Yes I did it myself in July as I have the last two firmware updates. BUT the exact procedure needs to be followed which includes pressing the brake (auto) or clutch (manual) every 20 minutes to ensure the headunit did not fall asleep. Also did not have a battery charger connected which is another risk unless you have a relatively new, fully charged and reliable battery. And don't restart the engine in between the two installation files.
OK, to recap, you upgraded the CMU yourself to 545 in July and the Maintenance menu was the same as before, later on you had the ECU upgraded and you noticed the new Maintenance menu, is that correct?
Just tell your dealer that the display randomly goes to a black screen whilst navigating occasionally, they should do something then ;)
This is exactly what is happening sometimes, the screen goes black and the message Loading Navigation with the rolling circle appears, but it seems more frequent with the real-time traffic information enabled though.
Cheers
Eddy
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OK, to recap, you upgraded the CMU yourself to 545 in July and the Maintenance menu was the same as before, later on you had the ECU upgraded and you noticed the new Maintenance menu, is that correct?
Yes that's correct. (Can't get the quote to work for some reason)
Edit :) Because you put your answer in front of the end quote instead of after .
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Have just received what I assume is the same recall notification. Talks about powertrain control module being reprogrammed in order to protect your engine from developing fuel injector fault which in turn may lead to the engine stalling. At the same time they will update the engine calibration software. I note the recall is billed as a 'safety' recall.
I have noticed the occasional 'hesitation' or miss in recent months so I wonder if this will sort that out. I'll mention it when I book it in, in case the fuel injector fault has already developed.
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I have noticed the occasional 'hesitation' or miss in recent months so I wonder if this will sort that out. I'll mention it when I book it in, in case the fuel injector fault has already developed.
Nope. I had my done a month ago and, a part of noticing no difference whatsoever, just yesterday I had the 'hesitation' from first to second gear at a roundabout...
Cheers
Eddy